User talk:F-sharp

Spincake being a Dragon Quest reference.

I don't really see how the similarities this item has to yggdrasil dew is coincidental? It's an item the exact same effect and the exact same method of acquisition from a series that Toby Fox repeatedly claimed to be inspired by. Could you reconsider? SomeLakitu (talk) 18:23, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

TV World vs Outer TV World

You are correct that this area is labeled "TV World" by the game (due to save points). The problem is that we are also calling the greater Dark World "TV World," not only this specific part of it. So we need a name to differentiate the two. Maybe for the enemy article just TV World is fine, but I think this area having its own unnofficial name is needed, as it needs an article of its own. (Currently it has a stub, Outer TV World, if you have a better name maybe we can use it.) PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 16:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

I don’t think we need to distinguish between the greater Dark World area and the dungeon we go through. Places like the Green Room already connect to the dungeon, and I believe it would only cause confusion if we try to separate the dungeon from the Dark World. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 16:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

We do for... every other Dark World though. Card Kingdom (which is an unofficial name that we gave it as a greater dark world article was needed), Cyber World and Dark Sanctuaries are all articles about the greater dark world, with every major section of them being a seperate article. Why not have the same for Chapter 3? Maybe we can just split them into "TV World (Dark World)" and "TV World (area)," since currently, TV World is written like a sublocation article, with a music list and no "sublocation" tab, which leads CH3 to not have a traditional article on its overarching Dark World, which is inconsistent. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 16:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

The thing about TV World is that it’s the only area we actually travel through. All other areas are either minigames (which we have pages for) or minor areas (which we also have pages for). I am aware that the TV World article needs expansion, and I plan to do just that in the near future. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 16:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Original game should be its own page, separate from Sword Route

I think that the "original game" should have its own page that's separate from the Sword Route page. Sword Route is a route, and the original game is a game that you play akin to The Legend of Tenna. That's why I gave it its own entry in the navbox. HylianAngel (talk) 01:43, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I am open to the idea of potentially separating information about the original game from the Sword Route page. You can create a user subpage draft detailing what that would look like, and we could go from there. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 02:37, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

im sorry

forgive me ~2025-894566 (unregistered) (talk) 00:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Mike Leitmotif in Raise Up Your Bat

The 0:37-0:58 part in Raise up your Bat clearly has the Mike melody in it, so what makes it not eligible to include in the Leitmotifs list? I need clarification on where do you draw the line between "motif" and "just similar" cause 0:42-0:45 in particular definetly sounds like Mike to me, and throughout this whole part in the song, that is repeated three times Piedudu (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

We discussed this on our Discord server and concluded that the indicated timestamps were not Mike’s motif. In short, the melody is simply a generic melody used in other Blues-adjacent songs. It is also missing the first part kf the motif, further separating it from Mike’s motif. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 16:41, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Why are you guys so sure that it’s that melody? The Ruins motif in Gerson’s song is missing the last part, it can very well be the same thing for this song. It has the same notes and everything why are you guys so sure that it’s not it? It’s one of the most obvious motifs. MrMoses (talk) 21:49, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, if the ruins motif in Gerson's theme gets a pass, then this should too Piedudu (talk) 20:16, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Sword Route Enemies to Original Game Transition.

Hello! I noticed that you got rid of the page for the sword route enemies and replaced all references of it to go to "Original Game". Not to be rude, after all I can see you absolutely have more experience with this than me, but why? You didn't just transfer it, or use its info for the page or anything, you kinda just deleted it and remade it from scratch, from what I can tell. Not even accurately either, helpful details about the enemies, some entire enemies, the format, everything just kinda... gone. I get that having all information on just one page is handy, but if that is so, then it makes significantly more sense to just have it in Sword Route page? The page was meant to serve as both a redirect for the character's page, as well as explaining the gameplay mechanics, but now it's all just re-crammed back into one page that has no intention of being the former, and got rid of important details of the ladder. I'm not saying its a good for nothing change, I'm just saying I feel like this wasn't necessarily the best way to handle it? The problem can probably be fixed by just adding some detail to the "Original Game" I guess. Just feels a bit odd... Person992012 (talk) 16:42, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

To rephrase on this a bit, I feel like the due to the enemies and their variants being rather different: it would've helped to provide a summary of enemy basics on "Original Game", as I fear that either the Original Game enemies will not have any information to reasonably be useful, or will bloat the article too much if all are described in detail. Shadow Mantle Holder has its own page, so anyone who wanted to find out the other enemies' details would go searching just to find an unorganized table at the bottom of a page basically equating to "Moves and hurts you". That was the main purpose. Again, your idea may be better, not like I know everything, just thought I'd voice some concerns. Person992012 (talk) 17:09, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

The idea of the initial Sword Route split is to have the completion method and story aspects on one page and pure gameplay content, including information about the enemies, on its own page. I have had the Original Game page sitting as a draft for a while which means it might be slightly outdated. You are welcome to edit the page yourself with any information you deem incomplete or inaccurate. I truly do not mean to downplay your efforts. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 17:31, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I might slow down a bit on my editing seeing as I've spent a bit too much time considering I only started earlier this week, but I trust that it'll work out in the end. I appreciate the explanation. Person992012 (talk) 18:12, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay, so I did edit the page. It took hours. Then you deleted ALL of it again, and did the same thing of putting back all the inaccurate information. I'm really not sure what you want from me here. Person992012 (talk) 23:08, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Can you clarify the information present on the table that you think is inaccurate? I did my best to integrate your intended formatting into the table to be as informative as possible. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 23:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay, give me a couple minutes. Person992012 (talk) 23:21, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Purple monster is not on Island Board. Parts of locations of flower enemies are miss capitalized. White Monster is on Desert Board and Island Board. To my knowledge, blue fish is not in the manhole dungeon (only grey fish is). Yellow lizard might also not be in manhole dungeon, but that needs checking. Purple monsters are not the default version of the monster enemy. They show up briefly in a small section of Desert Board at LV 3, meaning they can't even be the first enemy you can see either. The Gray monster is not identical to an average monster enemy, as it cannot hurt the player in any way. There is also a single Gray monster that behaves differently for a room, where it stands stationary. The table seems to be shown in the order you see the enemies, but which order you see them in is mainly up to the player. I recommend either organizing by enemy type (what I was doing), or by describing the enemies by area (vaguely what you are doing, but maybe more focus on the area in general. like in this area, these X enemies are found, rather than X enemy is found in area). The latter would also help with reading digestion (i.e: Oh I'm on Island board! I'll go to that section!). Overall, I feel it could have a far cleaner look then all crammed in a table. Though I suppose format is something that can be worked on later, and is more-so a nitpick for the time being. The enemy names may also need fact checking, as I've heard them called many things by separate wiki authors so we may need file name confirmation (if such exists.) I could probably find at least 5-7 more things, but I feel like I've said the important stuff. Person992012 (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Accidentally put it under the wrong Reply in your talk section, and I don't know how to fix that. If you want to I can copy paste it back here :(. Person992012 (talk) 23:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Otherwise it's under TV World Vs Outer TV World. Person992012 (talk) 23:53, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

I believe you may be misremembering which enemies appear where. Purple monsters appear in most rooms of the Desert Board and Island Board and are in fact the first monster you see when you play the Desert Board. White monsters do not appear in either the Desert Board or Island Board and only appear starting in the Ice Palace. Gray monsters can hurt you (albeit inconsistently, so I’ll give you some credit). Blue fish and yellow lizards do appear in the Manhole Dungeon. I recommend watching or replaying Chapter 3 to see for yourself.

As for the formatting. I agree that a single large table might not be the best way to present this information. I’ll ask on our Discord server for ideas. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 00:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

My bad on the Purple monsters thing, I mistook the purple sprite for something else. That similarly happened with the orange flower, since sometimes the lighting can be weird with it. I'm a bit curious what inconstantly means in terms of Gray monsters, is it bugged, or under certain circumstances? I don't think I've seen anyone talk about it before. All of knowledge I said WAS taken directly from watching/ replaying the game, but to be fair I do have pretty bad eyesight. After looking back however, yellow lizards ARE (Briefly, and with undocumented unique behavior) in the manhole dungeon, but I couldn't find any evidence of blue fish in the manhole dungeon. The gray fish is the only fish I'm seeing in the manhole dungeon. What room is the blue fish in? Person992012 (talk) 01:18, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Scratch that, I found the blue fish. Died so quickly I thought the room was empty. Person992012 (talk) 01:20, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Also as a small PS, sorry for saying the info was inaccurate then accidentally giving inaccurate information. I legitimately triple checked everything I said beforehand, then still somehow missed stuff. It happens I guess. Good luck! Person992012 (talk) 01:30, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

tv world and king of rolypoly VERY CLEARLY use hey every

bro Pizzatowerguy123 (talk) 19:55, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Did you read what I wrote when I reverted your edit? We discussed this on our Discord server about this and concluded that the motif is not present in those tracks. At most, it can be considered its own motif. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 20:20, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

it uses the same note progression, also yes I saw what you wrote and I disagree Pizzatowerguy123 (talk) 22:15, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Also it's the general consensus it uses hey every Pizzatowerguy123 (talk) 22:18, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Like I said, the two melodies sound similar enough that they can be reasonably classified as its own motif, but the note progression at the beginning does not match that of HEY EVERY ! It progresses into its own melody with different intervals. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 22:49, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Same with it’s tv time but it definitely counts ~2025-122462 (unregistered) (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Also I wasn’t in the discord at that time probably ~2025-122462 (unregistered) (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

It's uncontestable that a new motif based off of HEY EVERY ! Is in It's TV Time! though, I'm pretty sure we already have that listed Photon (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes just like it’s incontestable that it’s in tv world and king of rolypoly (and the popular consensus online is that they both have it) ~2025-122462 (unregistered) (talk) 00:06, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

We don’t have that listed for some reason ~2025-122462 (unregistered) (talk) 20:02, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

So, about the Maps...

Hello, dear F-sharp. I have noticed recently that the maps of the following dark world locations: Card Castle, Cyber Field, Cyber City, ???????, Forest and Queen's Mansion, do not have any contents. It is fine not to add them, I am just asking if you would like to add the contents. ~2025-30487 (unregistered) (talk) 17:10, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

We are working on adding and annotating maps for each location. This is a slow and time-consuming process, so if you would like to contribute, you can check this discussion post. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 17:22, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay cool! ~2025-30487 (unregistered) (talk) 19:11, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Dead Pixel

I think we're going insane and it's only been a month. I would flag this for deletion but I'm not an admin or mod. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 07:43, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Have we really gone insane? Maybe the article should be deleted, but the info should at least be mentioned somewhere...

This is an intentional gag/easter egg added by Toby Fox, why should we remove all mentions of it? PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 11:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't think it should be mentioned, as It is completely irrelevant to the game as a whole. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 12:01, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

So are many other trivia points. This is a small recurring gag, it getting a single sentence in the trivia section of a few pages is perfectly fine. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

That isn't even a gag. It's just a graphical error. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 12:06, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

They are not a graphical errors, they were intentionally placed. They don't just show up as an error, they are part of the graphic itself. Them being intentional are also shown in the 6th anniversary livestream, as he added two more dead pixels in King's battle arena, proving this is a gag and he's messing with us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rksOYId-cNA&t=10770s PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 12:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Even if so, a mention of a single dead pixel you can only see if you squint really hard is irrelevant. By this logic we should also document that the window in Kris's room moved up a few pixels between Chapters, which is silly. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 12:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

The difference, personally, is that this a specific gag about the major boss fights in each Chapter. A single pixel is shown in each major boss fight of each Chapter of the game, this is very different to other minor details like the one you mentioned; the former is an intentional running gag, the latter is a minor detail. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 12:19, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I made a discussion post about this on the fourm, if consensus is to not include, I'll accept that and won't add any more info about the pixel. https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-dead-pixel-running-gag-should-we-mention-it-on-the-wiki/1455PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 12:19, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

My point is that it is a detail way too minor to be documented. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 12:33, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Not important enough for an article. Important enough for a few trivia entries. Remex Remige (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

My position as well now. Me creating the article originally was pretty stupid, I should've just done the trivia points from the start. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 12:39, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

"Intentional" and "important" are vastly different terms. But okay, yeah, let's see what the others say. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 12:48, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Well, I don't really agree, as it's an intentional gag that appears in every chapter so far, but I'll wait for the consensus before changing anything. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 12:39, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

It is a gag. Toby was aware of the black in King's arena since before the release of Chapter 2, since he added an extra one in his live stream: https://www.youtube.com/live/rksOYId-cNA (3:00:00), an extra black pixel can be seen in the lower right corner.

With that being said, the black pixel in the Titan sprite really is just a graphical error. The true Chapter 4 dead pixel can be found behind Susie when she's DOWN, bobbing up and down under the railing. Remex Remige (talk) 12:23, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for agreeing. Also I didn't know that about CH4, if the info gets re-added, we'll mention that as the CH4 appearance. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I think a recurring/reoccurring/running/repeating gag page would actually be notable. I would actually like to make a Smorgasboard/Smorgasbord page but I know it wouldn't have much content. But a page with a list of all of the repeating gags could be a good length and notable in content. Unsure if the Chapter 1 dead pixel is intentional, but definitely the instances afterwards were due to Toby lampshading it in the 6th anniversary stream. HylianAngel (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

People on the forum have suggested dealing with the pixel by making a disambiguation post and adding trivia points. I wonder what it's going to be at the end of the day? Clint Barton Fan (talk) 19:46, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't like that idea since I think users actually want info on the topic. There's a little bit too much relying on redirects and disambiguations when they are not needed. Like there are some redirects I feel could be better as not existing due to being misleading, and there are certain disambiguations I think would work better as being fleshed out due to there being enough content to actually make a page on them. For example, the Ralsei plush is fairly notable and I think people want in-depth info on the in-game concept, even though most players can understand it's obviously a real-life object. I think it would make sense to give users in-depth info on the dead pixel and smorgasbord even though both of these subjects on their own might be too short. HylianAngel (talk) 19:57, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not really sure about the relevance of something like the Ralsei plush, but I suppose I could just add something like

"A single dead pixel can be seen near the left of King's battle field. The pixel's presence is shared with all Chapter bosses so far."

to the pages of King, Queen, Tenna and the Titan, if people are apparently so interested in that. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Puppet Scarf page

Hi, there's a user who keeps adding fan speculation that the Puppet Scarf not leaving Kris's inventory in a Chapter 3 scene confirms that Spamton died during Chapter 2 of the Weird Route. I've reverted it stating it is speculation, but they are adamant on restoring the speculation over and over. I would like to revert it again, but I need a third party to intervene since it's edit-warring at this point. HylianAngel (talk) 22:15, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Hey. I moved that bit of trivia to the main body, superseding the bit of contested text. In the future, please discuss edits like this with the user instead of edit warring. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 22:54, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the help in removing it while also fixing the formatting the page, I really appreciate it. I did not feel comfortable talking with the user themselves, as some of their edit summaries were hostile and condescending, so I did not feel it would have been a productive discussion. HylianAngel (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Little Ball

I’m trying to make a page for Little Ball and you keep taking it down. Why must you do this to me Breadguy (talk) 01:02, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

Doobie Ralsei

Noticed this revert, I just wanted to mention that it's actually very likely an intentional nod to the Doobie Ralsei meme. On its own, the Balthizard instance of it holds no water, but there are two other references, prior to the Balthizard one.

The first reference was the Valentine's card from the Undertale/Deltarune Newsletter. (The original tweet where the meme artwork originated from would normally be the parent comment here, but it looks like the author privated their Twitter account.)

During the Sword Route, Ralsei says, "I suppose I was, not very chuffed, by that dart," which is a euphemism for smoking a blunt.

It's very silly, but it seems relevant since Toby is acknowledging the community's memes. HylianAngel (talk) 22:14, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Interesting. Perhaps the Valentines letter can be mentioned somewhere, if it isn’t already. As for the other instances, however, There are a few things I want to point out.

The Ralsei quote is taken out of context; Susie mentions that he was raging at the video game they were playing. The usage of “chuffed” in this context means “pleased” or “delighted”, according to the dictionary definition. The Balthizard instance is also taken out of context; Ralsei is literally lighting up the room when he uses that ACT on the Balthizard. I don’t think these instances are meant to be references to the meme, even taking into account that Toby likes to goof off in his games sometimes. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 23:23, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

It's true that the literal meaning of "I supposed I was, not very chuffed, by that dart" was Ralsei expressing displeasure for the falling arrows section of the video game he was playing. But Ralsei's obtuse phrasing of his feelings is very on-the-nose, when a more natural and less stilted phrase would be apter. If it was accurate to what happened to the game, he would say he was not pleased by the "darts," but he still says a singular dart, which is totally incorrect and only phrased in this manner so that it lines up with the Doobie Ralsei meme. I don't really see any wiggle room for this statement not being a reference, at least compared to the Balthizard instance.

I would prefer not to link the actual image due to derogatory language it uses, but it's also a direct quote commonly associated with Doobie Ralsei as well ("no f***ing idea what this **** even is but he is chuffin back a fat dart and thats all that matters"). This can be seen on the Doobie Ralsei page from "Know Your Meme."

This isn't the only instance of stilted language occurring either, as Susie says a similarly stilted phrase when things took a "weird route" during the Weird Route. It was stated in such a particular manner as an intentional meta reference, when the language could have been more organic (things took a weird turn is the more typical phrasing).

Like for the Balthizard, it could have been phrased in a way that would unambiguously be unrelated to the Doobie Ralsei meme, but "Ralsei lit up! The room got smokey!" is really on-the-nose as well. It would just have to specify the object in question that got lit up, but it was left out on purpose for ambiguity's sake, which makes it more likely a reference to the Doobie meme.

Another thing is that several things that were referenced by the Valentine's cards made it into the actual game (insulating foam, tear down the kids/set), so it's really not that unbelievable that both the Valentine's cards and the game would mention the same references, so I can't agree with your last sentence, as there's plenty of precedence he would indeed goof off here. HylianAngel (talk) 23:39, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

I was convinced the Sword Route quote was a reference to Doobie Ralsei when I saw it, but I'm not quite sure about the Balthizard flavor text. I mean, I think the LightUp ACT is a reference to Ralsei lighting up the Balthizard itself, given that it's a representation of a censer, and the language is very straightforward and not obviously stilted to point towards the meme. KockaAdmiralac (talk) 17:13, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

The Balthizard one is definitely the most tenuous and disputable one of the three, with the Valentine's card being almost indisputably a reference, and the Sword Route moment being almost certainly a reference. So if you can see those two but can't agree with the Balthizard one, then that's fine, and that does favor towards the side of avoiding speculation.

But consider the following points as food for thought:

• Toby has already acknowledged the meme at least twice. This makes this isolated Balthizard instance more likely a Doobie Ralsei reference, compared to him never acknowledging the meme at all. It means he has a fondness towards Doobie Ralsei for whatever reason, putting under scope future statements that have room for ambiguity. Same with his penchant for repeatedly inserting Peanuts and The Simpsons references in his game, he's shown to repeat references multiple times when given the opportunity.
• While it's literally the Balthizard being lit up, words and sentences can have multiple meanings. There's the primary intended meaning considered canon to the story (usually literal), and then the secondary meaning (the joke or reference). Just like the Sword Route moment, which was literally describing Ralsei's frustration at a video game, it was also simultaneously referencing the Doobie Ralsei meme.
• If the enemy happens to be the subject matter of a Susie or Ralsei ACT, sometimes it's vague, but sometimes they are mentioned directly.
  • "Susie shook Pippins!!"
  • "Susie dirties the enemy further! It seemed to like it!"
  • "Ralsei tried to clean the enemy! It became TIRED..."
  • "Ralsei NUZZLEd MIZZLE!"
  • This could have been a similar moment with having described Ralsei as lighting up the Balthizard instead of leaving the subject matter vague.
• Both incense and weed create literal smoke, hence the room becoming "smokey" having two potential ways of reading it.

The Balthizard Ralsei ACT is possible to read as a Doobie Ralsei moment, hence why a random editor felt it made sense to mention it. Pretty much all players who aren't aware of the meme will just read the dialogue for its main meaning, and then those who are familiar with the meme can see the alternate (not literally actually happening) meaning. This is what Toby wants anyways: for it to pass under the radar for most people, while still satisfying and entertaining the fans who recognize the alternate reading of the phrase, just like with the other subtle nods, including but not limited to "things took a weird route," the beginning of Chapter 2 Susie mentioning the wait felt like years after literal real-life years passed but not in-game years, and the full-inventory "Dammit Kris" Susie moment with the Justice Axe (which references the "dammit Kris, where the hell are we" meme). Most of that will pass over people's heads since they're just meant to be small layered jokes.

Ralsei never chuffs an actual dart in Deltarune. That would probably bump up the rating to M if that did happen, lol. But hence why it should be common sense that yes it's the Balthizard being lit, but the statement is still purposely vague for fanservice. As that's the only way to reference the fairly notable meme without having Ralsei act out of character, and without referencing actual weed in the video game. HylianAngel (talk) 20:57, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

something with edits

I made the edits with Chapters 3 and 4, changing them to the edited Chapter infobox that combines all other platforms except the Switch 2. But now the edits show up under this account for some reason...

EDIT: the edits were undone. SpareEnderboy (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

about church and Gerson

I'm not sure if it's appropriate to contact you about this, but there's a small error in the audio for the Gerson motif (the photo is correct). I previously told the Chinese wiki admin, Kumki, about this, and they said they had reported it to the English wiki. However, it still hasn’t been fixed yet.
Also, you mentioned that it’s unclear whether the knight created the Fountain inside the church. My view is that in Chapters 1 and 2, the Fountain’s creator is indeed the knight, as each chapter’s final boss stated they witnessed the creation process. But in Chapter 3, the final boss, Tenna, only mentioned the task the knight gave him, and we all know Kris created the Chapter 3 Fountain. In Chapter 4, the clues about the creator become even fewer. The narration that the Chapter 4 Dark Fountain’s creator was the knight came only from Susie. That’s why I said the clues are unclear.
(Additionally, a dialogue in the graveyard in Chapter 2 pointed to Alvin.)
Sorry for my poor grammar again... If I used any negative wording, it was completely unintentional.:( Ygr (talk) 17:12, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware that the audio file for the Gerson motif is incorrect. I will work on fixing this soon.

As for the church fountain, the game does indeed state multiple times that the Knight created the church fountains. Once from Susie, and another time from Ralsei when he states “The Knight’s two fountains.”. Therefore, it is safe to assume from what the game directly states that the Knight did create those fountains. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 18:01, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

oh sorry I actually forgot Ralsei's words ! Maybe you're right. Ygr (talk) 23:30, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Deletion of the 2 files I uploaded

I understand that the sandy cave for the ice key picture was removed becaus there's a file that already existed but why the removal of the "AREN'T YOU FORGETTING SOMETHING IMPORTANT ?" image? Ice key pik's (talk) 00:28, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Hey. I deleted the “forgetting something” screenshot because I do not think there is a way to incorporate it in any article without compromising how it currently looks. You can see what I mean when looking at the Ice Key or the Island Board (Original Game) pages. There simply is not enough room to place that screenshot. If you think there is a way to incorporate the screenshot, do let me know. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 19:24, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

User keeps adding speculation to the Asriel-related pages

Hi, there's a user who keeps adding speculation to Asriel, Hometown/NPCs, and Dreemurr pages that "Doug" is their own character when it's more likely a reference to the cartoon show Doug, and Kris has never been stated in-game to have more than one brother or sibling. I would like to revert their edits, but it's bordering on an edit war. Could you handle the situation? Thank you in advance. HylianAngel (talk) 08:57, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

The idea that Doug is Asriel is speculation, not the idea that Doug isn't Asriel. Doug is a canon character until proven otherwise; Unless Dad Cat meets Asriel and calls him Doug/Douglas or eats frozen cat food. PetraAgain (talk) 09:19, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

(correction:eats frozen cat food and dislikes it) PetraAgain (talk) 09:21, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Characters introducing a nickname for a preexisting character doesn't magically create a new character. Why is Doug a unique character while "Azzy" isn't? Neither is speculation, they're both just nicknames for the same character, with the prior being a reference to the cartoon show Doug. Dad Cat is meant to be like Mr. Dink, who is purple and also has a grill. Here are a couple of videos from the cartoon show Doug: (video 1) (video 2)

All of Dad Cat's dialogue involving "Douglas" involves traits particular to Asriel, including the character getting along with his daughters, and the character going to the big school to get a big brain (college). Yes, it's not impossible for multiple characters to have shared this storyline path, but it's never mentioned that Kris has multiple brothers. There's not a single piece of dialogue from him that suggests it's a secondary brother. Since it is never mentioned that Kris has more than one brother, saying that Doug is a second brother is the speculation here.

"it is not out of the realms of possibilities that Doug is the Forgotten Man or that certain photos have only Doug because Asriel already left or only Asriel because Doug already left."

It is super-speculation to say that Doug exists as their own character because the Forgotten Man exists. HylianAngel (talk) 09:52, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

"and the character going to the big school to get a big brain (college)" that is not mentioned under Doug, that is straight up a lie.

"here's not a single piece of dialogue from him that suggests it's a secondary brother."

HE IS LITTERALLY NAMED DOUG AND CALLED KRIS'S BROTHER. is Asriel named Doug? no. In conclusion Kris has a brother named Doug. It is speculation to assume Dad Cat is delusional. "Rudy is sick that's why he's rambling about his imaginary daughter Dess" PetraAgain (talk) 10:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Here is the full dialogue from Dad Cat:

"Hey neighbor-beighbor! When's yah brother Doug gonna come by? Huh huh huh!

My girls'd love to see him! He's a sweet little man!

He's just got one problem...

He doesn't like my wife's cookin'!

What's wrong, Douglas?

You don't like frozen cat food? Huh huh huh!

Can't blame yah brother for leavin' town.

He's out there, gettin' a big brain in the big school.

Hope when he becomes a big shot, he remembers us little guys down the street."

If Kris has a brother named Doug, why would Dad Cat suddenly stop referring to Doug during the following dialogue? That doesn't make any sense. If Doug is Kris's brother, Doug going to college is not a lie either.

The dialogue from Dad Cat never says that Kris has two brothers. Not a single character in the entire game mentions Kris having two brothers. It's only ever in relation to Kris having one brother. Nothing in the Dreemurr household has any evidence that Kris has or has lived with multiple brothers. Again it's just a nickname like "Azzy" is. The concept of a unique nickname does not make any person or character delusional. People with common sense are able to understand that Dess is a nickname for December. HylianAngel (talk) 10:59, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

oh well i didnt remember that part of the dialogue, just checked the game files wiht UndertaleModTool and indeed Dad Cat does say that. Is the big school college? very likely. It is not a nickname tho, "Azzy" really clearly derives from Asriel while Doug would come from nowhere. Do i believe Doug is a sepperate character from Asriel? well, i never tought of him as such, but we shouldnt discount the possibility. Should we document them as 2 sepperate brothers on an unbiased site? yes, yes we should. since them being sepperate is the speculation not them being the same. Dess and Azzy are clear nicknames while Doug is just outright a different name. PetraAgain (talk) 11:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

correction: since them being the same is the speculation not them being sepperate.* PetraAgain (talk) 11:18, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Existing story points in the game, the environments, the characters, and surrounding lore only ever suggest and mention that Kris has one brother. It's extremely biased to state that Kris must have two brothers because Dad Cat calls Kris's brother Doug. It's discounting the fact that it's completely, and realistically possible, for a person to have a nickname that isn't the same as their actual name. By the line of logic that it's a possibility that Doug is a second brother, it's also an entire possibility that Doug is Asriel's middle name. Nothing in the game states it, but it's a possibility, so it must be documented under that line of logic.

The only supporting piece of evidence is that the name "Doug" is quite different from "Asriel," which isn't enough on its own, especially since the features regarding Doug mostly line up with Asriel's background in the story. HylianAngel (talk) 11:30, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Can you please delete titan_spawn_generate.ogg.mp3

I accidentally uploaded this while I was making it MMK-001 (talk) 20:34, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

This has been done. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 20:52, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you MMK-001 (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Should we ban this user

So I’ve been seeing this user Special:Contributions/~2025-305347 (unregistered) been vandalizing pages so should we ban them. MMK-001 (talk) 19:11, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to do such a thing. You’ll have to ask an administrator to ban them. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 19:14, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Oh I forgot you weren’t an administrator. Ok I’ll ask one MMK-001 (talk) 19:20, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Do you think pages for the unused chart editor and a bigger mention of Rude Sword would be good

I feel we should have a page for the unused chart editor as I feel it is quite notable and having just a mention in trivia on a page isn’t enough, and the unused Rude Sword spell which is still notable though probably doesn’t deserve a page, I feel like should have a bigger mention. I don’t think they are too technical, and having some mention somewhere on the wiki would be nice, I have user pages for both of them if you want to check them out:User:MMK-001/Chart Editor, User:MMK-001/Rude Sword. MMK-001 (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I think a page on the chart editor would be useful, but we would probably need some references on the development and why it went unused. As for Rude Sword, we currently don’t have pages just for spells, so having such a page right now wouldn’t be feasible. I am, however, open to the idea of having pages for spells, which would include Rude Sword. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 03:40, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Don’t we have a reference on the chart editor’s development. Also are we making pages on spells cause I saw you made a user page about Rude Buster and a new infobox. MMK-001 (talk) 22:54, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Yeah I'm currently working on writing up spell pages on my userspace. You can use my infobox on the spell pages that you have created. I think it would make things easier for us. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 22:58, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

How do you use it. Also I’ve been working on a IceShock page, here it is if you want to check it out: User:MMK-001/IceShock MMK-001 (talk) 23:07, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

The info box doesn’t show on the menu when I try to insert it. MMK-001 (talk) 23:09, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

I think you'll have to use the source editor in order to insert the template. I have provided documentation for this template to make this easier. Once you have it inserted, you can switch back to the visual editor, and it will work how you would expect it to. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 23:12, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

I’ve made a page for SnowGrave, and Pacify (Sleep Mist is covered in the page as well).

Also is Dual Heal a separate page or did you just forget to include it.

And are the Spamton NEO acts spells, the wiki says they’re spells. MMK-001 (talk) 21:46, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Here’s the SnowGrave and Pacify pages if you want to check them out: User:MMK-001/SnowGrave, User:MMK-001/Pacify MMK-001 (talk) 00:36, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

By the way I think we have a page on every spell (if S-Action and R-Action aren’t counted) MMK-001 (talk) 01:05, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

Tenna VHS frame count

Regarding this revert, I went ahead and checked this independently myself, and this fact is surprisingly true. The video, which is located in DELTARUNE\chapter3_windows\vid, is exactly 1,225 frames. I verified this with ffmpeg and the command ffmpeg -i "tennaIntroF1_compressed_28.mp4" -start_number 1 frame-%04d.png. The frame count also applies to the Japanese version of the video.

Maybe not every instance of this # should be recorded (like something innocuous like a room containing 1,225 blades of grass or some other weird coincidence), and usually this is in relation to the Holiday family, but maybe this is still noteworthy??? It's hard to say, but it would be some crazy planning by Toby if he planned it to this level of detail. Tenna standing there idling with differing artifacts in between to make the frames unique from each other could really just have been to extend the frame count to such an exact number? Idk. Anyways that's all I wanted to mention. HylianAngel (talk) 02:34, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I feel like it would be too speculative to suggest a possible connection between the number of frames the VHS video has and the number 1225. To me, while it is interesting, it seems a bit too coincidental to be noteworthy. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 03:54, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Right, that's totally understandable. As much as I want to believe it's deliberate, my only hang-up is that it's unrelated to the Holiday family, ignoring that Tenna felt very close with the family and the second parental controls (presumably for him) and the Rock Video minigame are related to Dess and the 1225 value. The other thing that makes me think it's possibly not a coincidence is the frame count being identical instead of vaguely in the 1,200's region. Like there's actually several ending frames that are identical but some of them have artifacts in them, making them technically distinct from each other. That's a technique that could be utilized to achieve a very specific frame count.

Besides those things, it's very possibly just a coincidence. I wouldn't put it past Toby either though with his giant mastermind brain.

Anyways, I hope the ffmpeg information is helpful if you need to determine video frame counts for whatever reason! HylianAngel (talk) 04:17, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I was blocked on the Undertale wiki and did nothing wrong please unblock me

See FoxImageAdder talk page for more detailed information. FoxImageAdder (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to unblock users on the Undertale Wiki. You will have to ask an administrator to unblock you. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 17:30, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Are we ready to publish the spell pages

We have a page for every spell in the game, and a nav box and info box, so are we ready to publish the pages. MMK-001 (talk) 05:07, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

Not yet. There’s still some stuff I need to work out first. I will let you know when we’re ready. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 05:40, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok, what are you working on. MMK-001 (talk) 05:42, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

Is S-Action, R-Action, and the Spamton NEO acts (Like Supercharge) spells?

In Susie’s and Ralsei’s page, in the spell section, the wiki considers S-Action, R-Action, Supercharge, Fluffy Guard and X-Slash to be spells. So do we make pages for them. MMK-001 (talk) 03:33, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

And N-Action. MMK-001 (talk) 03:35, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion, the Spamton NEO spells do not have enough notable information to make a full page from. The party actions also probably do not count as spells either since you aren’t casting magic. I plan on making a general Spells page that would cover all spells, including the ones that won’t have enough information to split off. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 03:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

The S/R/N-Actions are a bit odd in that they're grouped in the respective character's Spell buttons in-game, but yeah, they're character ACTs. — Link [ T | C ] 03:47, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Yeah I didn’t really think they were spells either but it was best to bring them up. I also assume Courage is also in the same boat. MMK-001 (talk) 03:58, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

And ReviveKris (I wonder why those acts specifically were classified as spells) MMK-001 (talk) 04:06, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

The documentation of Template:Navbox spells don't show in the Template Documentation Category

Here.I can't see its Documentation in the Category:Template documentation. Ygr (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I applied a fix. The page should appear in the category now. Thank you for notifying me. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 16:43, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Forgotten Man Valentine

Why do you say with certainty that the mysterious Valentine does not come from the forgotten man when it is technically ambiguous, and it is very clearly implied to be him, and, if you do believe this, why did you not remove the other references to the Valentine on the page, including the trivia point which directly assumes he wrote it? Not including out-of-game information in the main body of the article is fair enough, I have no qualms with that, but the reason I included info from the Valentine in my edit at all was because I assumed, based on what was already on the page, that it was the wiki's official stance that he was the author. Volnar The Unforgiving (talk) 17:50, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Is this resolved now, with F-sharp's edit to the Man page? KockaAdmiralac (talk) 20:08, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I've made one other edit to the trivia section to remove Valentine's authorship claims, but it seems consistent now Volnar The Unforgiving (talk) 03:51, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Can you help try to load the unused Null spell into the game

If you don’t know, there is an unused spell made for whenever, the user has no spell, or an invalid spell. There’s only 2 things known about it so far, it has a -0.4% TP cost (meaning it would actually restore TP), and its battle description is simply, NONE. I’ve been trying to use it/get it to load, to find out more about it but it’s not working. So if you know about the code can you please try and get it work. MMK-001 (talk) 18:36, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Never mind I got it to load and I’m currently testing it. MMK-001 (talk) 18:49, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

What I’ve found out so far: Using it restores 1% TP, You can use on the party, Using repeats the last line of text, before it was used (Without a Dialogue Portrait, if there was one), Using it freezes the game, unless, Kris’s solo ACT, was the last ACT used (Not technically an actual freeze, as Debug Commands work and can be used to Reset), (It has to be Kris’s solo ACT, using an act with Kris and Ralsei still freezes the game). MMK-001 (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Alright I found out more: It does not have to be Kris’s Solo ACT, there just needs to be only one ACT used per turn. If the battle is ended and an ACT is not used the battle will end and avoid the game freezing. A spell can be used before the Null spell and the game will work fine. MMK-001 (talk) 19:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

I made a user page about it and I’m debating whether to use it or to just make it a section on the spell page. Here it is if you want to check it out User:MMK-001/None — MMK-001 (talk) 19:44, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

I feel like a section on the Spells page would work better for this one. KockaAdmiralac (talk) 20:58, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok MMK-001 (talk) 22:14, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Tenna Hallway

I thought such dialogue dumps were fair game since things like Asriel's convo with Frisk at the end of the True Pacifist Route or Flowey's New Home infodump on the Genocide Route are up on their pages on the UT wiki with no issue. It's understandable if this wiki has different rules, but I believe restricting the pages to the briefest synopses possible like this wouldn't be particularly informative and/or comprehensive.

IMO, the Tenna Hallway should be made an exception for at the very least. That location exists solely for the sake of Tenna's infodump and that's all that happens in there, so including the dialogue would, again, make the page more comprehensive. Alternatively, I can add it to the Tenna#Sword Route section because that's the character's page and not the location's. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 13:51, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

I also take issue with the dialogue dumps on the Undertale Wiki (the Mettaton draft I’m working on has its dialogue dumps removed, for example). The wiki is generally meant to summarize dialogue and not straight up dump it. It makes the page harder to navigate and significantly lengthens the page with content that really isn’t very useful in my opinion.

In the case of the Tenna hallway, the dialogue isn’t too relevant to the dungeon as a whole. The summary that’s already present in the Main Story section should be sufficient. I do think there’s merit in having an expanded summary of the dialogue, but it should probably go somewhere like Tenna’s page if it isn’t there already. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 14:53, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Alright, I see. Glad that's settled, then! Thanks for the explanation :D Clint Barton Fan (talk) 15:05, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Question about BGM listings.

Under “Background Music” for each area, what are we listing for each area? Is it any song that plays in the area, the songs that play for the first time in that area, or something else? It’s quite confusing because, take Hometown for example; it has “Crickets” listed, so that would imply it only has songs that play for the first time there, but “The Chase” is also listed, despite first playing in the Closet Dark World. Other songs like “School” that only play in Hometown aren’t included either, so what gives? Just wanted to know that’s all. Piggymcwiggy100% (talk) 04:27, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

We list any song that plays in the area. However, for sublocations of the area that have their own articles, we list songs that play exclusively in those areas in those articles and exclude them from the main area. For example, TV World list songs that play in the TV World dungeon, but Green Room, a sublocation of TV World, list songs that play exclusively in the Green Room. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 04:42, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Whoops, thanks for mentioning the listed music in the Hometown article. I had added them all a while back, but some of them weren't removed after articles were made for the respective areas. In the case of "The Chase," it technically does play in Hometown during the end of Chapter 3, even if it's entirely in a cutscene. Something like "honksong," I kind of left in-between because... it's technically outside of the Library, and it's covering Hometown's lower intersection. — Link [ T | C ] 04:44, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay I understand now. There does seem to be a few corrections still needed then, such as “Rude Buster” not being listed under the “TV World” page, but “It’s Pronounced “Rules”” is listed, but that clears up some confusion with that. When it comes to areas, what constitutes separating it from the larger area as a whole? For example, places like the Dreemur Residence or the Holiday House are separated from the main Hometown page for music, but Sans’ Groccery Store or the Hospital aren’t. (Because for example “sans.” and “Concert for you” are listed under the Hometown BGM, while “Gingerbread House” or “You Can Always Come Home” aren’t. I know at least the Hospital has its own page with its own BGM listings, so are these just examples of needed corrections, or is there another reason for some pages having the songs listed? Piggymcwiggy100% (talk) 04:59, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oh I see Concert for you was just removed, okay that’s what you were referring to in the previous post. Piggymcwiggy100% (talk) 05:02, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

I guess this opens into a larger question about whether each enterable building in hometown should have its own page. (Right now, there’s only three remaining being the Police Station, Ice’s P’e’zza, and Town Hall). Piggymcwiggy100% (talk) 05:16, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

• On "Rude Buster:" I forgot! I remember adding Rude Buster to Ch1+2 location articles after Ch3+4's release, because I realized it would be best to list it since "From Now On" replaces it in Ch 4.
• On article splits: both Dreemurr Residence and Noelle's House have a lot to look at, so those are fine.

F-sharp happened to have moved most sublocations out of the Hometown article a while back, as it was too bloated. From what I recall, currently, all of them either have: unique events, has been entered in multiple Chapters, or has multiple floors. In the case of Flower King, it's future-proofing. — Link [ T | C ] 05:39, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay yeah I’m sure over time it will be more and more refined. Thanks for all the hard work you two have been doing in this area for the community! Piggymcwiggy100% (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thanks for asking questions and helping with articles too! — Link [ T | C ] 15:22, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Undelete image revision

Could you undelete the older revisions of File:Elnina overworld gaming.gif? I wasn't the first person to upload this, and it could be useful to see the original uploader/revision. Thank you in advance! HylianAngel (talk) 01:14, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

This has been done. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 01:16, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Padding trim feature

I just wanted to mention that, if you happen to be using ImageMagick, it has a feature where it can automatically crop padding (the -trim command, I'm lazy and trim the whole folder with magick mogrify -path "New folder" -trim "New folder"/*.png). It's very useful, because (for another wiki) when I used to remove the padding manually, even though I always tried to be as careful as possible, a few mistakes slipped through the cracks. But ImageMagick doesn't really make mistakes like a human does.

If you don't use ImageMagick or if the advice isn't needed, feel free to disregard me! HylianAngel (talk) 06:08, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

I usually use GIMP for all of my image editing, but I’ll keep this in mind. Thank you! F-sharp (talk | contribs) 06:11, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Actually, I just remembered GIMP also has this feature, it's under Image -> Crop to Content.

I still highly recommend ImageMagick just because it will do scaling and cropping and other such features, but for an entire folder, so you don't have to it one-by-one. It's really helpful for the repetitive image editing.

I have a few shortcuts for doing things like drawing a black rectangle on my Undertale screenshots to cover up the fallen human's name in the same spot each time, cropping out just the TV Time board portion of Desert or Island Board, etc. HylianAngel (talk) 06:02, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

The Legend motif in A Dark Zone

I’m not using like YouTube video as evidence I’m asking you to like look at the comparison

initially I didn’t believe but like it explains clearly so you should check it out ig Firerooster113 (talk) 01:42, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Do we make a page for unused puzzles.

So I saw you are making pages for puzzles and that makes me wonder if we should make pages for the many unused puzzles as there is a lot of them, and some of them are pretty notable so I feel like we should make a page for them. I've already made a user page for the unused Chapter 4 toy train puzzles, but a page for unused puzzles in general would probably be nice. MMK-001 (talk) 01:46, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Once we get the main puzzle pages published to the mainspace, I’ll be open to including a page for unused puzzles. I do not have much knowledge on unused content, however, so I will not be able to help as much beyond proofreading the article. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 16:18, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Are you now open to an unused puzzles page?

So now that the main puzzle pages have been released, do I start working on an unused puzzles page, I do have a user page on the unused toy train puzzles from Chapter 4, but I still haven’t made a general page for unused puzzles.

Here’s the user page for the unused toy train puzzles if you wanna check it out by the way: User:MMK-001/Toy Train Puzzles

Also this might be a weird thing to congratulate you on, but 5 user pages added as actual pages, and massive rewrites on big articles in just a week is crazy, I could only dream of making changes that fast. (Seriously I’ve been working on most of my user pages for months.) MMK-001 (talk) 05:24, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Ok I’ll start working on it in a bit cause I’m going bowling. But here’s the amount of puzzles we have to do.

• 4 Unused Chapter 2 puzzles.
• 6 old Chapter 2 puzzle versions.
• 5 Unused Chapter 3 puzzles.
• 2 Unused Chapter 4 puzzles. (Toy Train Puzzles which I have a user page for.)
• 1 old Chapter 4 puzzle versions.

Total: 18

I think that’s enough for a page. I know you don’t know much about unused content, but you can check TCRF’s unused room pages to find the puzzles and information to add.

Also I’m a Trusted User now YAY!!! MMK-001 (talk) 00:12, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

I am open to having an unused puzzles page, provided that are are enough puzzles to fill it up.

Also, thanks! Those pages really needed work, and I’m glad to see it well-received.

How did you make the music sheets for motifs?

Did you create them yourself, or is there some sort of program to do this? Kieriblade (talk) 19:48, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

I use the MuseScore program to place the notes and save the sheet music I create as a PNG. If you use this method, it is up to you to make sure your transcription of the music is correct. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 19:54, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Ralsei's Chapter 4 dialogue

I accidentally saved changes before writing description completely, so writing more information here.

I think that the Ralsei's end of the game dialogue is important for his characterization, especially the "It's okay not to smile" / "Good. Keep smiling" choice. The consequences of this choice do affect him deeply, and can have effects on the story progression in the future. The information he tells after choosing an option there is an integral part of his character development, and is nice to have on a character page. A character's page is supposed to describe the character, instead of just summarizing the story, and this episode is important for Ralsei.

In addition, these choices and "Look... I'm smiling" became a common representation of Deltarune Chapter 4 and Ralsei, so I think omitting them makes the wiki incomplete.

Therefore I think it should be made an exception for this dialogue, since we indeed don't need a play-by-play of each Chapter, or at least allowed to rewrite more shortly (but not so short as after the undo). Otval12345 (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

A characters characterization is best described in their personality section. Main story is for summarizing the character’s role in the story. Play-by-plays of specific scenarios Are often needlessly long and wordy, and we try to be concise while also staying relevant. I have already listed an example in my initial edit of what happens if main story sections consist of such play-by-plays, and I have since had to significantly cut it down to what you see now. See Wikipedia’s guide on how to write a plot summary for more details. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 01:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Tenna sprites deletion

it's not fanmade content it's literally by the guy who made his model,it's official https://x.com/PIXELATEDCROWN/status/2063946161132798342?s=20 ItsMetal85 (talk) 18:24, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, I told F-sharp that it's Chelsea's Maya models, but we admittedly probably won't need all of them uploaded on the wiki. Maybe one for reference. — Link [ T | C ] 19:23, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

disagree that they aren't needed but alright,i will just upload the concept arts then ItsMetal85 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi, could you not upload everything at once? We don't need every single image regarding the concept art. As discussed on the server, we only need certain images for documentation purposes. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 09:57, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

..is the point of a wiki not to collect as much as piece of information as possible?what?why would you be against more images, especially something like concept arts ItsMetal85 (talk) 12:01, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

That is not the point of a wiki. Otherwise, we would recite every scene word-for-word like a script. Remex Remige (talk) 14:35, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I admit my original reason for deletion was misinformed. Therefore, I will provide a new reason: We do not need every single still frame of one animation uploaded here. This wiki is not meant to be an image dump, and the information on the Tumblr post should be enough to document by itself. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 19:31, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Removal of The Holy (it was bad)

Hey There!

Uh

Why'd ya do that.

Those motifs have been checked by countless people and are correct.

You should have checked via a post in discussion before deleting. Vexodus (talk) 10:23, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

This is in general, but I think it'd be helpful to both: link back to the topic when adding/removing something, and maybe we should have a single thread for motifs with how often these crop up. — Link [ T | C ] 14:35, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

I did see the thread. It was marked as resolved when it very much was not, and there was still more room for discussion on the topic. If motif additions are disputed this much, then I see no reason to add them to the wiki as if they are definitively true. It will only serve to confuse readers who do not hear the cited melodies. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 18:09, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

"THE HOLY" connections to Homestuck tracks being "speculative"

Hey there. I noticed you reverted my edit to Leitmotifs for being "speculative". I'm not usually one to push back or argue against decisions like this on any wiki, and I probably won't say too much more, but just hear me out for a second.

I understand if I had said that the motif in THE HOLY was based on Penumbra/SotWW, then that would obviously be speculative. However, all I said was that it bears a resemblance.

On the UNDERTALE Wiki, there are several instances of articles saying things just like this. I would absolutely say that nearly all of these are more speculative or baseless than the connection in THE HOLY.

There are also a few examples I could find on the DELTARUNE Wiki.

Unless there's something different about these examples (in that case, please let me know what I'm missing here), I don't really see why they're allowed while my contribution is not. I kinda feel like either none of those should be allowed, or my edit should be allowed.

(Also, I understand that the UNDERTALE and DELTARUNE wikis are technically different wikis, but they share the same rules on speculative content word-for-word and I assume they share most of the mod team.)

Not trying to start a big conflict or anything, just wanted to point something out. Thank you!
AwesomeMutation (talk) 02:58, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Revert on Flower Kingdom

I'm a bit confused, I agree with you on "It's a major area. It's referred to differently by SAVE points and shortcut doors"; that's what my edit was for.

Currently (and before), Top of Castle has a lower heading and is called "sub-area of Flower Castle", I edited to remove this language and give it equal heading level to the other three sub areas. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 23:10, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Whoops. That's my fault. I did not actually see the edit before reverting it. Whatever you did should be visible now. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 23:21, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Np, thanks. PapyrusPikmin1997 (talk) 23:29, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Shinobeetle Lightner/Darkner status

Hello!

I believe that one of my edits may have been misinterpreted slightly before it was reverted, so I hope it would be alright if I should clarify: I attempted to ambiguate the status of Shinobeetle, not because I speculated it to be a plant, but because Flowery refers in a character statement to all "living beings" which gain new consciousnesses in the Dark World as neither Lightner nor Darkner. This phrasing choice does not position plants as the sole occupants of this dichotomy.

Given the terminology used in this statement, if we interpret Shinobeetle's Light World counterpart to be an actual insect (very substantiated given its heavy theming BUG-ELEMENTAL typing), this may disqualify it from being a Darkner in the definition used by the game. Due to the unclear nature of these circumstances, I thought it best to err on the side of neutrality, and because it gave more space to explore the trivia page.

That's all! Let me know if this changes your stance on my edit or if you'd still rather play it safe. (ơᴗơ✿) ~2026-447616 (unregistered) (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

We currently have no reason to believe that Shinobeetle is an actual bug. It may well be some inanimate object that decided to take the form of a bug. It's best not to assume something is a living being unless it is explicitly stated. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 02:57, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

Understandable; well, I suppose I'll have to respect your judgement. Thanks for the follow-up! ^^ ~2026-447616 (unregistered) (talk) 01:53, 17 July 2026 (UTC)