User talk:Clint Barton Fan

Thanks

Thanks for telling me why you undid my edit on Black Knife. I understand now, and will not add it again. Amonik111 (talk) 13:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

About the Green Room

Hey. I noticed your repeated reversions to my edits, and I wanted to say a few things.

I do not agree with favoring one interpretation of the Green Room’s origins over many possible interpretations based on what we see in the room. Personally, I believe that the couch arrangements are based on the arrangements of the chairs in the living room which, given the Green Room’s direct connection to the Cold Place, makes more sense geographically than it being based on a disconnected room far away from the main area. I am not saying we should put my interpretation over the current one, but I am saying that the supposed implications are not as concrete as you may believe and should not belong in the lead section of the article. F-sharp (talk | contribs) 19:20, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

It isn't about the arrangements. The right couch is a dull, blueish-grey color, which would correspond to Kris's dark grey bed, and is noticeably scratched, which may allude to the bloodstain near said bed. Furthermore, the Cold Place is heavily implied to be the living room, as it is the location of the residence's Fountain and the Great Door the Knight uses to make its escape is the residence's front door in the Light World, so this leaves the upstairs as the only sensible alternative.

I concede that the connection may not be concrete enough to be featured in the article's very beginning, but it is not as flimsy as you seem to believe. I have created a Trivia section for the article and moved the implication there. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

reversion to gacharoom unknown

so i don’t really get why you asked “why would a shadow crystal be coated in lacquer?”

i mean, the triangle isn’t necessarily made out of or coated in lacquer. it’s stated to share a similar texture to it- “inside was something hard like lacquer.” it’s possible for lacquer finishes to appear crystalline and glossy, which is why i interpreted it to maybe be referring to the shadow crystals.

i agree with the general consensus that the triangle was likely to be a guitar pick but those are rarely coated in lacquer anyway- it would only need that if it was made of wood or metal maybe. i admit this still makes more sense than the shadow crystal interpretation, but there’s still a lot that lines up with that idea too.

the shadow crystals have a triangular sprite. their shadows could match the darkness of the triangle. shadow crystals move like water in the hand- water slips through your fingers, much like the triangle slips through kris’s hand. both interactions have implications that kris will lose their hand, and the “you couldn’t find it anymore” dialogue just before that matches up with how the shadow crystals are actually invisible.

this bit isn’t part of my interpretation since it’s a wild reach. like it’s an actual crack theory. but i’d thought i should include it anyway. the peculiar book in the second sanctuary states the following: “and so wept the fallen star, making rivers with its tears. then, slowly, from the bitter water, something grew. it looked like glass.” this is theorized to be related to the shadow crystals, which are related to the knight, who may as well be dess. since this room has dess’s motifs, what if this is related?

either way, isn’t it possible to keep both interpretations on the page? what do you think about the shadow crystal idea in general? Asterstrike (talk) 02:18, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

I should have explained myself better, yes. That's very much my bad.

The thing is that the assumption the triangle is a guitar pick aligns the most with the room's connection to Dess. We still have no concrete proof of the Knight's identity, and I don't think this wiki is the place for such theorizing. It's up to the reader to make up their own theories, not to the wiki to catalogue them. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 06:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Hammer of Justice Trivia

Writing here because I'd rather have more space to explain why I reordered the page, and as I'm not one to edit war.

The bulleted list starts off with a reference to Lord of the Rings, the work by Tolkien. This makes the rest of the Lord of the Hammer summary seem in reference to it, despite it just being a comparison between LotH and the Deltarune Chapters, and not a comparison to LotR. Additionally, there is another trivia point about LotR on the page.

I think the top bullet point of the summary should be merged into the second (because the list has up to 3 sub-bullet points right now, which is excessive) and the LotR references should be their own thing. My reverted edit was about the second point, but the whole trivia section probably needs a rework anyway due to its length. TB (talk) 20:01, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Now that I've re-read the section a bit more carefully, I can see where you're coming from. I agree that the trivia section may need a rework, and while I'm admittedly still not as editing-savvy as I'd like to be, I'll see what I can do.

Thank you for reaching out like this and explaining your point of view! I appreciate it ^^ Clint Barton Fan (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

About the edit I did

Oh, sorry. That URL does play a song though, but I double checked and I don’t think it’s actually Lost Girl.

~2025-562579 (unregistered) (talk) 20:05, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Is it a song that normally plays with dogchecks? I don’t usually go to dogcheck URLs, so I’m not sure. ~2025-562579 (unregistered) (talk) 20:08, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, it's results.ogg, which plays on the deltarune.com's dogcheck pages. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 20:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Oh. It sounds a bit like glowing snow, to me.

~2025-562579 (unregistered) (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Thought-related and the SOUL

In Chapter 2, inspecting the trash can in the alley causes Bratty's dialogue to pop up, but her mouth isn't moving in the overworld, and her dialogue is written in parenthesis... talking to her usually causes her mouth to move in the overworld. Always thought that was strange, but I don't think I ever got around to writing about it in the wiki...

In fact, I realize that doesn't seem to be on Bratty's article right now, whoops. — Link [ T | C ] 23:31, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Information regarding my reverted edits

Regarding the previous reversions of my edits, I would like to apologize for any inconvenience caused.

I will try my best to not cause more editing mishaps again. Elaboratescanner04 (talk) 06:29, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Concept art aliases

Regarding this edit on Swatchling's page, I don't know if I agree with it being removed. I feel like it would be better to keep the concept art names. There are several other characters where the concept art alias is noted (seen here in F-sharp's sandbox page), and also one instance of it for Sans on the Undertale Wiki. Like with the internal names that don't match the final game name, I feel that it is notable enough to archive all of these instances, since it's fun trivia to see what they were called during development, without this info actually taking up any space in the "Trivia" section.

If you feel strongly about it, that's fine, but then probably all instances of it should be removed then and not just Swatchling's. Which would be a big change that a vote might be needed on though. HylianAngel (talk) 23:57, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Katana

Hey, I recently changed the redirect from Noelle's House to Carol's personality section. It's not just the fruitcake, the briefcase is completely absent in Chapter 4. — Link [ T | C ] 16:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

What redirect? Also I'm not entirely sure how this is supposed to disprove my reasoning. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 16:44, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Katana. She destroyed the briefcase with one, I just rechecked Chapter 4 right now for Town Hall. Even if you don't agree on it being read as hostile, it should be mentioned on there that she uses the katanas. — Link [ T | C ] 16:47, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Oh, you were concerned about the katanas specifically. I see. Frankly another reason I decided the mention of the katanas would be better off being deleted is because the phrasing was very clunky and I couldn't really figure out a way to make it less so.

In this case, you could try re-adding it to the page and I'll try to figure out the phrasing again. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 16:54, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, her using katanas is characterization. We don't have any context for the heart pillows, but it's not obvious she uses the katanas unless the kitchen katana+Briefcase guy was interacted with. — Link [ T | C ] 17:05, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

What do you think of the collection placement? You think it flows better? Also, while I'm at it: what do you think of writing small characterization for sections? This is in part in advance, as I tend to do this for characters with small scenes, and Carol has a lot of micro expressions going on in Chapter 4. Also, I apologize that I had an "I can't read" moment with you. Rereading through what happened, and I'm facepalming at my past replies. — Link [ T | C ] 17:26, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

It's fine, you have nothing to apologize for! ^^ I'm currently a bit busy but I'll get to the page in a moment. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 17:49, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I noticed the collection of katanas bit was changed to her "potentially" having a collection, but isn't the one in her bedroom hers? So that would be at least two, unless we're assuming it's possible Rudy owns that one, or that it's been left there for someone else's safekeeping. I feel like maybe something like "implied to have a collection" might work? Also I sort of feel like maybe it would be better to leave the katana redirect towards the Noelle's House page like it was originally since there are two confirmed katanas there, even though it's implied Carol has a katana specific for her workplace, which would technically make the Carol page better (if it's the actual case). HylianAngel (talk) 18:57, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

OH SHIT I forgot about the black katana entirely, my bad 😭

I'm going to change it now. As for redirects, I suppose that's something you two can work out a solution yourselves. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

You good! Thanks for updating it. — Link [ T | C ] 19:26, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

If Noelle mentioned Rudy used a katana on his own fruitcakes, it coulda been considered his. But Rudy doesn't mention anything about it, and there's 2 instances mentioning Carol using a katana, so it would make sense that it is hers.

As for the redirect: The issue is the redirect goes to the article than a section, since the 2 katanas are in different places... which might not be as helpful. My change reason was that its use was likely more interesting. — Link [ T | C ] 19:25, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I mean it's certainly a safe assumption, it's just that the game never explicitly spells it out, which means there could be a (very unlikely) later twist where the katana that happens to be in that room is there for any number of reasons that aren't because Carol owns it. But yeah, I mean, she probably owns that one too.

While the words on Carol's page are certainly useful and interesting, I feel like people really want to know what the katanas look like when they search up the word katana. People love pictures, which is why in general infobox images at the top of each page are useful and pleasing. Maybe they want to look up the katana for design reference, but taking them to Carol's page means no images. But I'm not really invested in it, I just really feel like that's what users really desire. HylianAngel (talk) 21:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

It could probably be remedied by linking to the areas the katanas appear in, but I can revert it. The implications of its use has a lot of potential alone. — Link [ T | C ] 22:02, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Prophecy edit

hi! i don't want to edit war you, so can we discuss it here or (ideally) on the discord? Soggy-cat (talk) 14:54, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm not in the server. What is it? Clint Barton Fan (talk) 14:55, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

the current version of the Prophecy article seems to imply that all of Hometown respond to it in a single way, as "an object of worship for Hometown's local religion", and that "Unbeknownst to Hometown's inhabitants, the events the prophecy foretells unfold over the course of the game's Chapters."

this is not true for the heroes, and the article should therefore by amended to clarify that specific characters, despite being hometown residents, respond to the prophecy differently. Soggy-cat (talk) 15:07, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

I really don't think this is a distinction important enough to make. Additionally, the only Hometown resident to notably resist the prophecy so far is Susie (Kris's motives are unknown for now and Ralsei is a Darkner.) As I've mentioned, the characters who resist the prophecy already have this written down on their respective pages, so I don't consider the info necessary. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

i still disagree, as while it may not be "important" to you, we're still leaving the article as factually incorrect. can we start a discussion or leave it up to another editor? Soggy-cat (talk) 15:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

The issue here is not that it's not important to me in particular. The issue is that the resistance of one (1) Hometown resident is too insignifcant to mention. Sure, I could edit the article to say "Some Hometown residents, such as Susie, don't like the prophecy", but I fail to see how this would make the article more factually correct than it already is.

Given that I've explained my reasoning and you've replied only with "I disagree", I believe it's better to leave it up to another editor, yes. I don't think we're going to get anywhere. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 15:32, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Hey, so my opinion is that: both Soggy-cat and Clint Barton Fan are right, but for different reasons. Soggy-cat is right about the intro appearing unbalanced, but Clint Barton Fan is correct about the previous info not being relevant to the article.

More than anything, I think the 2nd paragraph needs a rework to be more balanced. The heroes aren't mentioned until the 3rd paragraph for the intro, and part of the reason I had moved Lord of the Hammer and Dragon Blazers was for future-proofing in case both of those get expanded on in later Chapters, plus they are variants of the prophecy. — Link [ T | C ] 15:39, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

thank you! i think the article should be kept as it currently is until the second paragraph is reworked. Soggy-cat (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Okay, just a little heads up that I've tried to fix it and balanced info around. I ended up splitting the Light World paragraph and moved it out of the intro since it looked out-of-place. — Link [ T | C ] 16:59, 5 March 2026 (UTC)