User talk:WitheredFreddy1993

Organikk NPC filenames

Hi there. I noticed you were renaming the Organikk NPCs I uploaded a week or so ago. Do you have a source for the new names you're giving them? They seem pretty conjectural and I gave them the original names based off their naming conventions within the files themselves. Not trying to be combative, just wondering the rationale here. RollyPollyPal (talk) 10:17, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

That is how we name files for the sake of consistency. You listing them as Organikk1-3 doesn't align with our naming policy. If you want to give them a proper namefile, then check how we do the other overworld sprite files. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 10:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm aware of the naming scheme for files. When I uploaded them I chose to err on the side of caution as I did not want to give them inauthentic names and to my recollection there were not really any other NPCs who were multiple different designs of the same enemy/character that I could look to as a base, hence my hesitation here. If you think these names will work fine then I have no qualms with them. RollyPollyPal (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I see. If you have alternative names for those ones, feel free to change them. I don't mind, and keep up the good editing too. Good day. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 10:28, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Kris Parrying Sprite

Re: https://deltarune.wiki/w/Kris_Dreemurr?diff=prev&oldid=90334

While it's true that I only leaned about those sprites while checking that inconsistency, I added them to the Gallery because I thought they stood on their own, not as a reference.

I brought it up in Discussion afterwards (https://undertale.wiki/d/t/we-should-add-the-statue-parrying-animation-to-kriss-gallery/1401). The gist of it is:

• When it plays in-game, it's obscured by special effects (beyond just the black pixels). People would like to see what it looks like.
• It wouldn't feel out of place among other situational sprites in the Gallery.
• I personally find it really cool.

I think at least the used version of the sprite should be re-added. Remex Remige (talk) 20:50, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

I've did some rethinking... and I can re-add it when I have time. Good day. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 04:00, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Good day to you, too. Remex Remige (talk) 13:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Knight Infobox

The reason you gave for the change is "I see no reason to change the original image, especially since characters such as Rouxls and Lancer are exceptions." In what way, exactly, are the examples you have cited exceptions? Both of them have their overworld sprites shown in their infoboxes. I'd appreciate a clarification.

On a related note, I fail to see how my behavior is "aggressive" and "edit warring." From what I've seen, I was under the impression that it's part of the wiki's policy that editors must provide a solid reason for particularly drastic changes to articles. Your change did not have an explanation attached, so I undid it. Again, I'd appreciate a clarification; however, I do not appreciate the tone. Clint Barton Fan (talk) 07:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

You've been constantly undoing good-faith edits from time to time, even ones from experienced users such as F-Sharp and TB even when they've explained their reasons. While I understand you're trying to help, repeatedly undoing constructive edits isn't necessary and can be discouraging to other contributors.

Regarding Lancer and Rouxls, the infoboxes doesn't really need their battle sprites since both function more as recurring NPC characters. Rouxls’s variations (Pirate and Chef) are just him wearing different hats, which doesn't add much value. Berdly is another good example — his infobox only includes portraits and overworld sprites, which aligns with how Susie and other characters are presented. An infobox should highlight the most relevant visuals, not every minor variation.

For the Knight, that case is different. When I uploaded the sprites, I intentionally chose the current image to show a clear view of its appearance rather than cluttering the infobox with both battle and overworld sprites.

I don't agree with your recent changes to the infobox. I've spoken with Kocka before on this, and we agreed that there's no need to make changes to the infobox until further notice. Lastly, apologies for not explaining sooner — I was caught up with work. Good day, and happy editing. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 07:59, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

I see. I'll try to be more mindful of my behavior in the future, then. Thank you for clearing up the issue! ^^ Clint Barton Fan (talk) 08:22, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Lanino and Elnina infobox

Hi, I recently uploaded a combined sprite of Lanino and Elnina with the intent to fix a small issue with their infobox. The main subject of the matter is neither specifically Lanino or Elnina. However, the infobox is misleading by having its main image be only that of Lanino. Sure, it is decent enough in its current state, as there is an image of both characters, but it's slightly problematic that a user does not see the encapsulation of the article topic from the initial image. It means that they have to click every time or scroll downward every time to have a proper visual understanding of the other half of the subject matter, when it would be better formatting to have this apparent immediately with a simple glance of the first infobox image.

The Sweet Cap'n Cakes infobox and party infobox are good examples of what the main image should contain, which is an encapsulation of the article's subject matter. I'm of the belief that the party page would be WAY worse if you had to click through three different images of Kris, Ralsei, and Susie, rather than seeing their bespoke group pose in a single image. Seeing an image of Kris's idle sprite then having to switch to the other two characters' idle sprites with multiple clicks is not only annoying but also not a good encapsulation of the topic. While Lanino and Elnina only deals with two characters, I feel this is the same problem currently plaguing their page.

It could be argued that the Mike page, and a few other pages, establish the precedence that it's okay if the initial image does not capture all of the characters at hand; however, in those cases, there just aren't many good choices for an encapsulating infobox image, and they should not really be the standard because it is a poor standard. Those should really all be fixed as well (when possible).

I feel that the overworld sprite I uploaded is a good encapsulation of both characters; it has their bespoke animation of them swaying together in unison, which occurs in the overworld and not their battle. Many pages have face/overworld/battle, so I do not see an issue with having their overworld and battle sprites in the same infobox. If there is some sort of other issue with the formatting being nonstandard, I can't even see that being an argument, when several other pages follow varying standards (Rouxls Kaard, Knight, Lancer, etc.) I don't think it's even contradicting a standard here, especially since "groups" should have their own standard entirely, but even if it was, I think it's sensible to make a similar special exception for their page, in order to better capture the article's main topic.

If there is an issue with the quality of the sprite in some manner, or if the sprite isn't bespoke enough, then it shouldn't even still be on the page. Since it's currently in the gallery, quality and uniqueness do not seem to be a factor preventing it from remaining in the infobox.

This is just me guessing since I'm not sure why it was moved out of the infobox. I'd like to know what the specific issue is, because I think it would be better to have an image of Lanino and Elnina as the main infobox image. If the image I uploaded isn't suitable, I hope an arrangement can be made for a different suitable combo sprite of them, to improve the quality of the page and infobox. HylianAngel (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

One main reason is that I don't believe both characters need to appear in a single image for the infobox, as their individual battle sprites already serve that purpose effectively. For example, while Sweet Cap’n Cakes has a group shot, that image is simply their shop sprite, and their other sprites are presented separately. In fact, when the page was originally created, both Kocka and I placed the characters individually. Additionally, the overworld sprite is taken directly from their animation when speaking as NPCs at the start of the chapter, which doesn’t substantially add to the information the infobox is intended to convey.

The battle and overworld sprites for Lanino and Elnina are, functionally, the same assets repurposed for different contexts. Because of this, the combined overworld sprite does not necessarily provide additional value beyond what the individual battle sprites already convey. From a formatting standpoint, the goal of the infobox is consistency and clarity, and using the standard individual sprites achieves this without redundancy.

While I understand the point about encapsulating both characters at a glance, the precedent across most character pages is to prioritize individual assets in the infobox and reserve group or composite images for galleries or sections dedicated to unique appearances. This is primarily to ensure clarity and consistency for the wiki. I've said what I have to say on the matter, and I had already discussed this with Kocka prior to the chapters being released. That said, I'll leave it here. Good day, and happy editing. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 22:54, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and explanation. I hadn't considered that aspect before, but the fact that a group shot has labeling issues compared to individual images/labels is indeed its own problem. However, this is really the only advantage I can see. I do not really see any other advantages to using individual sprites otherwise.

"For example, while Sweet Cap’n Cakes has a group shot, that image is simply their shop sprite, and their other sprites are presented separately."

But the main reason why the shop image is first instead of last (like Spamton's page) is because it's a good visual of all three of them as a group. Or is there a different reason for the ordering choice?

"In fact, when the page was originally created, both Kocka and I placed the characters individually."

I'm not sure what the point here is. Even if the page was like that initially, it can still be improved.

"Additionally, the overworld sprite is taken directly from their animation when speaking as NPCs at the start of the chapter, which doesn’t substantially add to the information the infobox is intended to convey."

The fact that it's the first overworld visuals we have of them makes them a perfect candidate for displaying information related to them. (Imo.)

"The battle and overworld sprites for Lanino and Elnina are, functionally, the same assets repurposed for different contexts."

Regarding the battle and overworld sprites for Lanino and Elnina being functionally the same, they are not. Please take a moment to go ahead and check any video playthrough of Lanino and Elnina performing the "brandish" animation during their battle. The current uploads at File:Lanino battle brandish.gif and File:Elnina battle brandish.gif are entirely inaccurate and are actually just the overworld sprites. They shouldn't be labeled "battle" at all, they actually need to be labeled as "overworld." So this is actually a point in favor of keeping the combined overworld sprite in the infobox because it offers value that the battle sprites do not.

"From a formatting standpoint, the goal of the infobox is consistency and clarity, and using the standard individual sprites achieves this without redundancy."

That's an easy fix then. If the problem is redundancy, then keep the combo sprite and move the individual sprites to the gallery. (However, this shouldn't be required due to how different the overworld and battle sprites are for Lanino and Elnina.)

While it's not an issue at the moment, if a group of something even larger than 3 characters is introduced, like 5, it just makes 5 individual images for the infobox unwieldy and poor design. It may never happen, but I wanted to mention how it's not a good way to portray groups in general, and why I brought up the party page example. This is still a problem, regardless of the current wiki standard. HylianAngel (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

I understand we might see this differently, but there is no need to turn this into a confrontation over a single change. My intention is just to ensure the infobox is clear and consistent. If the change is made or reverted, that's okay — what matters most is keeping the page accurate and helpful. I'd like to move forward constructively rather than get stuck debating a single image. Good day, and keep up the good work. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 23:48, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

It's not my intent to have a confrontation; since we have different ideas on what is better formatting for the page, I wanted to bring up a discussion on your talk page since outright reverting the edit without discussing it is the actual inappropriate behavior. I think a debate is healthy and not a confrontation. I apologize if it came across as a negative communication, I thought replying to each statement on my thoughts and feelings would help with reaching a solution, but I guess it was not effective. I wanted to point out why I think it's flawed to not have the combined image in the infobox. Regardless, thank you for your time and for your responses. HylianAngel (talk) 00:21, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

I noticed that you restored the combined image to the infobox. I do appreciate this gesture, but I'm also totally okay with waiting until the infobox image discussion is brought up in the discussions board for other user input. No worries at all if you (or another user) would prefer to return the infobox to its original state for whatever reason and keep the image inside of the gallery until that discussion occurs. I don't mean to dwell on this topic for too much longer in worries that it might bother you, but I wanted to respond after seeing that particular edit. I hope you have a good day. HylianAngel (talk) 02:11, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

I can see your point, but can you bring this up in Discussions? If we're changing how the images are presented for pages with multiple characters, we should do it consistently across the wiki, and write it down in the standard as well. KockaAdmiralac (talk) 23:03, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

I'd rather hold discussions on talk pages where any people can participate, not just people with email addresses. If you could create the discussion, I would be very appreciative of it though. Thank you, and I'm sorry for the inconvenience. HylianAngel (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Bringing it up in Discussions brings visibility, though. Talk pages are way less likely to be noticed by a wider community, and this particular issue doesn't relate to a single topic either - it is (ideally) a change in standard. We plan to enable email-less users to use Discussions since the reason for requiring emails is mostly a technical one (the underlying software requires it), I just don't think it will happen soon.

Yeah, I can start a discussion on this tomorrow hopefully. KockaAdmiralac (talk) 23:52, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Right, I understand that the discussions board is a useful tool for that reason. Thank you for your help in regards to starting the discussion, I really appreciate it. HylianAngel (talk) 00:21, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

Desert Board screen image

I just wanted to mention that the Desert Board screen preview pictures are displayed at 200% the internal resolution during gameplay. I think it would make sense to increase the resolution size to be consistent with the other sprites. I was about to go ahead and increase the resolution size myself, but I noticed that the Desert Board image was reverted from 200% to 100%, so I wanted to ask first in case there's a specific reason to keep it at internal resolution instead of the display resolution. It looks like Island Board and City Board are both correct and currently at 200%, so it's just the Desert Board one that's at 100%. HylianAngel (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Sorry for late reply. Probably must've accidentally pressed the revert button while I was edit-rushing myself through certain pages. Thanks for notifying me on this. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 22:34, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

No worries! HylianAngel (talk) 22:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Should we add the 8 bit characters unused death sprite

Hey so I found some unused death sprites for HERO_SWORD, HERO_AXE, and HERO_SCARF and they have a different design than the other sprites for them so I wanted to see if we could add them. By the way I apologize for accidentally treating the gallery as an image dump, I didn’t know what was good to put on there, actually I still don’t know but this time I’m asking you before I do it. MMK-001 (talk) 22:33, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello there! Yeah, I'm already aware of these sprites existing in the files. While it's interesting that they have a different design akin to the overworld character sprites from the Game Boy Pokémon games, I don't think we need to include them at the moment since there isn't a clear reason to. Also, no worries about the gallery thing. Appreciate that you checked beforehand on adding anything this time. Good day and happy editing. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I still have them uploaded to the wiki in case though. MMK-001 (talk) 05:51, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

8-bit images

I was wondering what the difference was for the new uploads at File:Ralsei overworld 8bit sleep.gif and File:Tenna overworld 8bit.gif. I can't figure it out, and I want to make sure that I follow the proper procedure for future uploads. HylianAngel (talk) 22:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Nothing too big. Just wanted to upload a version I found using the proper in-game speed based on my own gameplay recordings. Don't worry about it and keep up the good work. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 22:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I won't worry about it then. And thank you! HylianAngel (talk) 22:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

For File:White Cloak overworld.gif, I changed the speed to 270ms since that's the closest a gif can reach to match the in-game speed of 267ms, but I noticed it's been replaced with a 250ms version. Is it alright to revert it back to the 270ms version? I feel that it should be either 260 or 270ms to match 267ms, but not 250. Plus, the other ones are all at 270ms at the moment. HylianAngel (talk) 11:46, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Goldenrod Monster eye color

Thanks for uploading the missing monster color! I just wanted to mention that the shade of eyes is particular. The current upload looks like the shade of red is the same as Purple Monster's eyes, but it's actually a unique shade of red. This red can be extracted from File:Desert Board (Original Game) map.png. HylianAngel (talk) 00:51, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

That's odd. Must've been a glitch or something when I extracted the colors from the map. I have updated the image. Good day. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for updating it! HylianAngel (talk) 01:23, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Green Pippins cowboy outfit image

For the face of File:Green Pippins overworld cowboy.png, would it be okay to swap the annoyed face for the initial one? I feel like the initial one might be a little better because the annoyed face has some overlap with one of the annoyed faces of File:Green Pippins overworld exasperated.gif. The initial one also showcases that Green Pippins seems to have a green eyelid (or something), which is a neat extra detail by avoiding the overlap with annoyed face. HylianAngel (talk) 02:56, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Eh. Sure. I don't honestly give much of a big deal about it, but I do personally like Green Pippins's irritated expression a lot. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for swapping it! I also like that particular face, I just felt the initial face would be more encyclopedic. HylianAngel (talk) 04:02, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Tenna crossed out image

For File:Tenna overworld crossed out.png, the original image's red pixels are 1x1 in size. So in this case, shrinking the image to try to match the game means the detail is lost. When you resize it larger, it's no longer the same as the original image.

Is it okay to lose that detail? Even though it's not technically the standard size as the other images, I think it would be better to keep it big since it's more akin to promotional sprite artwork than in-game sprite artwork, if that makes any sense. HylianAngel (talk) 02:05, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

I’ll revert it, was having second thoughts a moment there since I didn’t like the pixelation reduction the 2x resize had. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! It's evil that this particular sprite breaks conventions. HylianAngel (talk) 02:39, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

True hahaha. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 02:40, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Screenshots look weird but only on browser issue

I noticed a new upload and then a quick revert to F-sharp's version for File:Lancer screenshot overthrowing King.png. I'm going to make a potentially totally off-base assumption that it might be because of the colors showing up weirdly on browser, despite the image being correct when it's saved to the computer.

This was a really confusing thing for me until 2 weeks ago when doing a lot of research, with DubstepDude as the catalyst and Kocka with lots of assistance. So I'm just gonna infodump what I learned from the experience; my bad if this is stuff you are already aware of, or if this solicited advice is unhelpful. At the very least, it could be helpful for another user, maybe.

For me, my standard process is to capture my screen with Win+PrtSc, which saves the image automatically to my computer (though I have it bound to a hotkey so I just press one button instead), then I use ImageMagick to resize the pixel art without interpolation. Sometimes I'll use paint.net for finer edits.

So it's basically
1. Capture: Win+PrtSc
2. Edits: ImageMagick/paint.net

There are two big problems though:
- Capturing any image with Win+PrtSc captures the image perfectly, but adds secret gamma metadata. Because of this, the image appear correct on computers but slightly different on browsers.
- Ditto with editing any image with either ImageMagick or paint.net.

An image's metadata can be observed using the free software exiftool, recommended by Kocka. You can compare your screenshot with F-sharp's and see that this section here is the big difference:
https://i.imgur.com/3IV8k7g.png

I'm not sure why this happens for you since I don't know what your capture and editing process is. For whatever reason though, F-sharp and DubstepDude's capture/editing processes do not suffer from this issue.

But anyways, I'm still able to do my normal capture-edit process without changing anything else; the last step simply should be to use ImageMagick to strip all extra metadata.

When I use ImageMagick to strip your screenshot of its extra metadata, this fixes it. To see if the colors are truly fixed but without uploading the image to the wiki, you can check by dragging it from your computer into your browser and observing it from there.

Prompts to input into Command Prompt with ImageMagick

Aggressive strip all images no matter what (be careful)
cd C:\Users\USER\Pictures (navigate to the folder containing the image; change filepath as needed)
magick mogrify -strip *.png (strips metadata)

Strip one image
cd C:\Users\USER\Pictures (navigate to the folder containing the image; change filepath as needed)
magick mogrify -strip "This Is The Actual Image Name.png" (strips metadata; change image name as needed)

I'm unaware of any not-ImageMagick ways of removing the metadata. I'm also unaware of DubstepDude and F-sharp's processes, because the prior wouldn't tell me when I asked them on their message wall, and I haven't asked F-sharp yet about this.

I went years without knowing this, because what type of monster would secretly add metadata that would totally change the colors of an image in such a specific circumstance, only for browsers, but here we are.

If there's a step I wasn't clear on, please let me know. I recommend ImageMagick not only for its ability to remove the extra metadata, but also because it can batch-transform hundreds of images at once. It's great for resizing many screenshots and sprites at once. But also I recommend it since I have absolutely no idea how to strip the metadata otherwise. HylianAngel (talk) 11:06, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

HylianAngel, while I do appreciate what you’re trying to say here, this has nothing to do with metadata nor colors showing up weirdly. I reverted it since I personally think F-Sharp’s version looked better when looking back on it. That’s all that there is to it. Good day. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 11:17, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. My bad then! I do want to point out that the colors of your new screenshot are slightly off when viewed in browser, which DubstepDude has made an effort to fix for other existing uploads (like mine). So I thought it might be helpful for future screenshot uploads to save time and effort. HylianAngel (talk) 11:26, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

One more note to close things off here, in the future, please only ask me questions if you need actual help or assistance, rather than sending me frequent messages about things I do. I would also appreciate it if the frequent messages could stop, as they take time for me to respond to. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 21:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for expressing this intent clearly. I'll refrain from sending future messages unless I really need help.

Up to this point, each message I sent was regarding image reverts or changes I wanted to perform but refrained from doing so so I could get confirmation if it was the appropriate course of action or not, or so you could perform them. I did not want to perform potentially contentious image reverts. The frequency is because there is a large volume of edits. But again, I'll refrain from messaging unless absolutely necessary then. HylianAngel (talk) 22:25, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

hi, for taking screenshots, I use a third-party program called FastStone Capture instead of the built-in Windows tools. I’m not a big fan of Microsoft’s features or programs, because they usually work worse and slower than third-party solutions. I also sometimes use Photoshop to reduce the image size by half when needed, but most of the time I just lower my monitor resolution so that Deltarune runs at 640x480. DubstepDude1 (talk) 12:28, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the info on FastStone Capture. Yeah, I think Windows' built-in screen capture via Win+PrtSc might ultimately be slower and worse, but it is free. Thankfully I'm still able to produce a clean result by stripping the metadata as the last step.

This is helpful data for me, so thank you for letting me know how you capture and edit images. Now I know why your uploads are pristine visually and metadata-wise. HylianAngel (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Queen chapter 4 appearances

i think that in that section, it should be added that she appears if speaking to Lancer in his room and makes fun of Ralsei for his lack of treasure Kaikazero (talk) 13:48, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

Ralsei_face_holding_back_tears.png deletion

I want to clarify that I uploaded this file not for the sake of just uploading it, but for using it in the Ralsei article. The link to the picture illustrated a point made in a sentence there, but after the deletion, there's just a red link. A similar picture is already linked in the article for a long time, a few sentences higher, serving a similar but different purpose for another sentence. Otval12345 (talk) 23:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

We are currently working to revamp the page and remove any unnecessary fluff, and this item falls under that category. F-Sharp has already uploaded a similar image beforehand, and after discussion, we agreed that the image was not necessary as we already have a bloody face sprite.

The moderation team’s reasoning has been outlined in the deletion history, and Link has also reached out to you regarding your recent edits. At this time, please refrain from making further changes while the moderators revamp the article. WitheredFreddy1993 (talk) 00:01, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Huh?

How do you get the sprites on ur about? ~2026-834855 (unregistered) (talk) 09:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)